Monday, July 20, 2009

Dan Maguire Statement about ROTC

Daniel Maguire, a Catholic moral theologian at Marquette University
recently released a statement concerning Marquette's Reserve
Officer Training Corp. Program (ROTC). As the local Catholic
press will probably choose not to cover it. I will repeat
his statement here:

Marquette University Peace Action: Marquette’s Lonely Prophets

Statement of Daniel Maguire, Professor of Moral Theology

Marquette University Peace Action (MUPA) has been a lonely
witness to the peace-making tradition that began in the
Hebrew scriptures and continued in the Christian scriptures
and early Christian communities. Their critique has centered
on Marquette’s being a center of ROTC training for 14 local
colleges. MUPA accepts the unfortunate fact that ROTC is
here. The military are firmly embedded at Marquette, and
money is a major factor in their being here. The university
and the ROTC students get financial support. MUPA recognizes
realistically that ROTC will not be easily dislodged because
of that. In my almost 40 years at Marquette, I have told ROTC
students: “Take the money from the military but don’t give
them your soul.” Of course, it is their souls and minds that
the military are targeting, and that is precisely the
educational issue that MUPA has been heroically engaging.

MUPA quotes The Army Field Manual:”Your personal values may
and probably do extend beyond the Army values, to include
such things as political, cultural, or religious beliefs.
However, if you’re to be an Army leader and a person of
integrity, these values must reinforces not contradict,
Army values.”

Give the Army credit for candor. That could not be clearer.
Religious values are trumped by Army values and valuations.
That is a bold challenge to this religiously grounded
university. Why has the university mounted no curricular
response? That is the question that MUPA has been
insistently pressing, like a voice crying in the wilderness.

Pope John Paul II spoke for fundamental religious values
when he said: “We can enrich our common heritage with a
very simple discovery that is within our reach, namely that
war is the most barbarous and least effective way of
resolving conflicts.”

Pope John XXIII said that “it no longer makes sense to
maintain that war is a fit instrument with which to repair
the violation of justice.”

Archbishop Desmond Tutu says: “In the wars of the 1990′s,
civilian deaths constituted between 75 and 90 percent of
all war deaths…Some two million children have died in
dozens of wars during the past decade….This is more than
three times the number of battlefield deaths of American
soldiers in all their wars since 1776.”

War is, by definition, state sponsored violence and it is
more brutal than it ever was in history. It is so horrible
that after Second World War the nations of the world
decided it could only be used as a police action,
collectively, in response to an attack, coordinated by the
United Nations.

Professor Richard Falk writes: “World War II ended with
the historic understanding that recourse to war between
states could no longer be treated as a matter of national
discretion, but must be regulated to the extent possible
through rules administered by international institutions.
The basic legal framework was embodied in the UN Charter,
a multilateral treaty largely crafted by American diplomats
and legal advisers. Its essential feature was to entrust
the Security Council with administering a prohibition of
recourse to international force (Article 2, Section 4)
by states except in circumstances of self-defense, which
itself was restricted to responses to a prior ‘armed
attack’ (Article 51), and only then until the Security
Council had the chance to review the claim”


ROTC is teaching our students a different gospel. ROTC
dissents from the popes by teaching that war is” a fit
instrument with which to repair the violation of justice.”
It teaches that war is not the “least effective way of
resolving conflicts.” In fact it is preparing our
students to participate in the three wars now ongoing—not
one of which was declared according to Article One Section
8 of our Constitution---wars against Iraq, Afghanistan,
and Pakistan, with threats of war in the air against Iran.
None of those wars meet the six criteria of “the Catholic
Just War Theory.” Not one of them meet those criteria.
None of the, in other words, satisfy Catholic teaching on
war-making. War that is not justified is collective murder
and our students are right now being trained to join in.

The challenge to Marquette is educational. The military
work on the assumption that war is a continuation of
national policy by different means. It works on the
assumption of the normalcy and inevitability of war. And
it is teaching our students that contrary to the teaching
of the two popes just mentioned, and contrary to the
biblical peace tradition, war is “a fit instrument with
which to repair the violation of justice.” It teaches
that “war is not the least effective way of resolving

If ROTC were teaching the normalcy of abortion, Marquette
would respond with vigor. Why is war taken less seriously?
After all, war is abortifacient. Many of the hundreds of
thousands killed in the Iraq war were pregnant women and
we inflicted “shock and awe” on them and their fetuses.
Our students are being trained to do more of the same.

Solution: every ROTC student at Marquette should be
required to take two courses in the peace-making
traditions of the world religions, especially Judaism and
Christianity, with special training in the Catholic just
war theory. They should also be taught the obligations the
United States assumed by treaty to observe the United
Nations restraints on vigilante war, something we are not
now doing.

MUPA is no more radical than the popes. They are prophets
calling attention to Marquette’s failure to live up to its
avowed moral and religious commitments. They are not
calling for the ouster of ROTC. They are not trying to
take away ROTC money from Marquette or from Marquette
students. They are defending religious values and saying
those sacred values should not be trumped by military
values as the army insists. They are taking values they
were taught in their schools and churches and begging us
to live by them. To the shame of all of us, they have
been ignored for too long.


Dad29 said...

Dan Maguire was ruled "NOT" a Catholic moral theologian by Abp. Dolan.

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Andy K. said...

Funny how you slander the good Archbishop, when his predecessor is an out-of-the-closet homosexual, and is far creepier than Abp. Dolan ever could be (heck, Abp. Dolan isn't even creepy!).

Funny how much hate you have, for being a "Christian."

Faithful Catholic said...

Sorry for having to remove the above post, but it was too offensive. I'm not sure if it was more offensive to Dolan or gays.

Anonymous said...

Okay, I'll try again. Since it is quite clear that a very high percentage of Catholic clergy are gay---I am not saying pedophiles---I think the presumption is that Dolan is gay. But more important, is the fact that Dolan said the Marquette teacher was NOT a moral theologian brings up the question as to whether Dolan is "authoritative" on who is what. I am interested in what the professor had to say; not how Dolan classifies him. Is my statement about Dolan's preferences not just as authoritative as Dolan saying who is what?

Mark said...

I missed the comment you deleted. But I thnk "anon" has a good question. What other things can Dolan decide are not 'real?'
does he decide who is catholic and who isn't?
Btw, does Andy have any comment on the fact that 80 percent (by Church figures) of sexual abuse cases of Catholic clergy were against boys. Does that tell us anything? The national average of abuse cases against boys is less than 20 percent.

Mark said...

Oh, I forgot to ask Andy. Is a gay priest in the "closet" superior to one 'out' like Weakland? If so, why?

Anonymous said...

Interesting how the comments completely avoid the subject matter of the blog entry

Mark said...

Anon, I'm not sure exactly what you mean in saying the blog comments "avoid" the post. Conversation does not go in a straight line always;I was responding to Andy and to "dad."

Dad29 said...

The post refers to Maguire the Cancer as a 'Catholic theo...'

He's not.

And Dolan has the authority to make that call no matter his personal situation (and I think your inference is at LEAST scurrilous.)

Your inane 'logic' would also prevent any cop with a parking ticket from arresting someone for murder.

Stupid, aren't you?

Mark said...

Poor dad, you're sinking fast. How does Dolan have the authority to say Maquire is not a Catholic moral theologian? Maquire is Catholic and he is a moral theologian. Does Dolan have the power to define everything. Say I'm a Catholic and a teacher am I not a Catholic teacher?

I still say the chances are Dolan is gay. If 80 percent of Catholic clergy who commit sexual abuse do so against males, would it not be logical to say a very high percentage of Catholic clergy are gay. This seems so obvious, old man.
I really don't care if he is a closet gay or not. But it is strange that so many Catholic clergy "huff and puff" about gays when the chances are the clergyman is gay.
How do you explain the 80 percent figure. Please answer when you get off your meds?
BTW, just out of curiosity do you think Obama is an American citizen? Off topic ,yes, but just curious.

Andy K. said...

Is it clear the majority of Catholic clergy are gay? Do you have any proof of this?

And, as long as Abp. Dolan was archbishop in Milwaukee, HE decides who is what in an official Catholic capacity in his diocese.

You know what that percentage means? It means 80% of the clergy who sexually abused people abused boys. That's... about it. African-Americans comprise a majority of prison-inmates - does that mean African-Americans are more likely to commit a crime and end up in prison??

I don't care if a priest is gay or not - he needs to be celibate, and that is all.

I'm a Catholic - can I be a moral theologian if I start pontificating about morals??

And Mark, you're committing a fallacy when you say that if 80% of criminals in the clergy are X type of criminals, then the rest of the Catholic clergy must also be X type. Fool. Isn't the percentage of priests convicted (accused?) of being an abuser in the under-10% range??

Mark said...

Andy, you seem like your young; or at least you think as one who has not refined his reasoning.

There is no evidence that homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals. This would mean that in the general population the rate of sex abuse carried out would be approximately 80 percent by heterosexuals and approximately 20 percent by homosexuals. If a population group, in this case priests,is just the opposite, that is 80 percent of sex abuse cases are carried out by males(priests),and 20 by priest against females then we have a VERY STRONG presumption that the priest group is majority gay. What is your explanation?

I'm with you in agreeing that it makes no difference what a priest's sexual preference is. However the hierarchy seems to think it does make a big difference. Which leads, it seems to me, to a valid charge of hypocrisy.

You kind of lost me on the "moral theologian" thing.Let me see if I follow you. Maquire is NOT a moral theologian in your diocese but if he crosses into another diocese, he may be. Um,um?

Your last paragraph is so confusing I can't really follow it. Certainly, if I understand you,80 percent of Catholic priest are NOT pedophiles. Well, of course, I agree. But my point was not about pedophiles, but about homosexuals. There is a difference, you would agree.

My young(I assume such by your comments)friend I suggest you give this situation a little more thought.

Mark said...

Andy,I need to clarify one thing. Obviously sex abuse by priest is carried out by males. The key point is such abuse is carried out against males. The 80 percent as reported by the Church is against males.

Faithful Catholic said...

I regard the priest population to have a high percentage of gays, but with pedophiles, I think it is also important to note who was available to abuse. Until recently, there were only altar boys. So even if a pedophile would prefer to abuse a girl, boys were much more available and easier to abuse.

Mark said...

FC, as you know I very much like your blog. I am a bit disappointed that you are using the "availability" argument advanced by some in the Church. As a Catholic, this argument leaves me, well, a little cold.

I once said on your blog that I would hope that our priests would have a lower abuse rate of children than Alabama prison guards.

My grandson is "the greatest altar boy"(Family pride!!!!) I am a bit disappointed that the Church regards him as "available."

I also saw my former parish priest a few years ago looking at a magazine devoted to pictures of nude boys. He is still quite active after a legal suite where he was charged with molesting a boy. He was found not guilty but the priest's countersuit for slander was lost by the priest. Everyone in the parish knew he was gay. Fine. But the Church's new effort to hunt down gays in semenaries does ring rather hollow.
In conclusion, let me say I have little interest in the sex thoughts and lives of the many priest I know. Would that the Church was not so interested in the sex life of my wife and me. Anyway,too old to hide much:)

CatholicSoldier said...

Anyone else find it slightly hypocritical that Mr. McGuire blasts MU for allowing ROTC since in his view it is antithetical to Catholic teaching and that of the Pope, while Mr. McGuire at the same time he is a manifest heretic on a number of other Church issues and attacks the Church for those stances with which he disagrees.

It would appear that regardless of the permissibility and morality of ROTC at a Catholic University, Mr. McGuire should at least have the common decency to not try and "Have his Cake and Eat it Too".

Anonymous said...

Gee, CS, can't you do anything but hunt down heretics. This isn't Spain centuries ago. But, boy, I bet you would have loved it. Jack

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